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Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:03 am
by TEKNIK
A normal halogen light bulb has far more far red than anything in the visual spectrum visual spectrum is only about 2%.
I guess someone can try it to see what happens though with these IR bulbs

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:38 am
by Osash78
TEKNIK wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:03 am
A normal halogen light bulb has far more far red than anything in the visual spectrum visual spectrum is only about 2%.
I guess someone can try it to see what happens though with these IR bulbs
Ok... now im confused...
Normal halogen lamp will do Emmerson effect?

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:41 am
by Osash78
Nice peak in the red zone...
But is all under 730nm enough small(weak) to do the job?

I'll put one of my ladies in 12/12 (13/11)* next week or so...
I will try this halogen induced sleep on this one plant in my small testing tend...
One 18W halogen will do the job in a small tend? 3 min lights on 7 min light off...??

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:08 am
by TEKNIK
You need to get rid of the visual spectrum for it to work. IR is just heat. Cover the bulb in tin foil maybe. I might do that myself and see what my spectrometer says about it.

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:47 am
by Osash78
TEKNIK wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:08 am
You need to get rid of the visual spectrum for it to work. IR is just heat. Cover the bulb in tin foil maybe. I might do that myself and see what my spectrometer says about it.
Interesting...
Just thought... so the IR heating panels will do the job to? I know, noob question... :D
panel radiation is from 780nm to 1nm...
I have a 200W IR panel, and I wanted to heat up a flowering room at a dark period, now im thinking that is not a good idea... What will do 780nm-1nm radiation overnight?

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:35 pm
by 0 to 220
I can't come up with sources right now, but they use R:FR ratio in research. Twilight is about 0.6 or 0.7 and lasts 30 minutes. I commonly saw experiments where they use 0.4 ratio for EOD. So going 100% far red is definitely not necessary from my reading. It's not all or nothing. the effects of end of day treatment are plotted on a linear scale. I.e. an EOD treated plant will always increase in size; lower R:FR ratio exaggerates the effect.

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:24 pm
by Nuggie
For sizing approximation a 25 watt led is equivalent to a 150 watt incandescent (6x), I would use something like a 150 watt incandescent in a 1 meter square area.

For general sizing on flower at 30 watts/ft sq. With a led IR you need 2.1 watts/sq. ft (this is 7% or 7 watts per 100 watts of light), but since it's incandescent I would use 6x that at 13 watts/sq foot to get a ball park approximation.

Like 0 to 120 says this would at the very least swing the spectrum into the right direction for EOD.

I am going to try my IR heater, but would only do it for 10-30 minutes at EOD, otherwise i think you might flip the plant back into veg if left overnight. Thanks Osash!

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:06 am
by Nuggie
I emailed Therabulb on their spectral distribution, they got back to me on the weekend..........working overtime!

Their 5W LED bulb wasn't too exciting but their 150W and 250W is the shit! I couldn't even begin to replicate this distribution with mono's.

150 or 250W:

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:13 am
by Nuggie
Found this link to a lot of useful info, pretty cool as he has a spectral distribution map of different scenarios so you can see how to fill in the gaps on your led build.

http://farmertyler.com/far-red-light

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:21 am
by RadRiverOtter
Are you using a standard alum flatbar for mounting these to, or is it an extruded heatsink?