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Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:41 pm
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Hey there, here is a cheap way to add a flower initiator to your grow light. Maybe some idea.

You can use these diodes
from uncle Ali
With 10 of these diodes you can cover about 2m², maybe more

I have 3 types of color leds on star boards from this store. In total I have tested 50 diodes and they all work. You can test them with a multimeter using Diode setting.

I use them in 2 series of 5 diodes currently at ~0.91A.
I have surplus TRP LED-40W driver laying around so I use those to power them. These cheap drivers function well for house lighting, supplemental fixtures, etc.
I don't really know what other driver to recommend. You can do it in so many ways.

The diodes can take up to 1A but they'll get really hot. 2 parallel connections of 5 diodes in series get 0.91A from the TRP driver. This uses 22 watts.

What I gather, 5-8w of far red is enough for 1m². At any rate, really minimal amounts are enough. It's not about causing photosynthesis but about converting these chromoproteins called phytochrome.
You let these lights run for ~5 minutes after lights out and the idea is that the far red light converts the state of phytochrome to its inactive form
To learn more about phytochrome you can read here.

Well, I'll let the pictures do the talking. Good luck finding a side-by-side of end of day treatment. This post in a 80 page thread is the only photographic evidence I have seen. Anyway, it's a small investment, and a fun little project. Save some $ have some fun.
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Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:52 pm
by HomerPepsi
Nice build. Looks similar to Emerson boards I built from rapidled's starboards and easy connect system.

What I've heard is that you can run far red 15min before sunrise and 15min after sunset.

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:01 pm
by Labgrown
...or you can get small strips with 3 far red diodes premade for $9 usd from HLG. just saying this seems like a lot of work, for little to no savings.

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:28 am
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Not in europe unfortunately.. there may be alternatives but at €1.7 per diode is certainly the chepaest when I bought them
Sounds alright though, a nice easy option

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:14 am
by HomerPepsi
Great minds think alike ;-) 60 660nm photo reds, 16 730nm far red and 12 infrared in 2p2s. (along side 445nm and 2200k citizen cobs; 4000 and 5000k f series and solacure)(vegging in a flower tent at the moment)

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:01 pm
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Cool, those are very elegant with connectors!

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:05 am
by Osash78
Hey hello man!
Is there any Mean Well driver suits for the same setup?
maby APC-25-1050?
https://www.meanwell.com/Upload/PDF/APC ... 5-SPEC.PDF
or maby this
https://www.tme.eu/Document/a6d210b6e97 ... 5-SPEC.PDF
Any good that I can order from TME. :D

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:10 am
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Hey mate! Looks like the 700mA driver is a good match. A bit overkill perhaps, since it can do 40+ volts. Most people run the diodes at 350mA. For continuous use I would recommend that to be safe

22w from mine is certainly overkill, haha.

This is probably the best cheap mean well:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/ ... ND/7702582

350mA, should be good for all 10 diodes from a single order.

APC series looks like the best bet in any case. You'll just have to see how many diodes you want to use over how much space. 4 diodes in m² should be more than enough.

https://www.tme.eu/en/details/apc-8-350 ... mean-well/

I might order one, because I don't want to destroy the diodes, even if they only run for a few minutes They do get very very hot at this high current.

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:18 am
by TEKNIK
from my understanding of EOD spread is more important than intensity

Re: Cheap flower initiation diodes (end of day treatment, far red 730nm)

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:25 am
by Osash78
Hey, thank u for reply guys.
So 4 of this for a 1,2mx1,2m is enough or better put 6 at lower power and spread?
I'm thinking of 3 sets of 2 diodes... and spread around...
So I will need a driver to power up 2 in series at 60%...
Please help me match Mean Well/or any @TME driver.
Think ill buy 3, for better spread...
Options:

#1 - 3 x 2 in series... 3 drivers
#2 - 1 x 4 in series... 1 driver
#3 - 2x 5 in series... 2 drivers
#4 - 2X2 in series... 2 drivers


One more thing... This far-red light, must be at the top of the canopy or can be placed as a side or down to up lightning?

they are good for 2 diodes?
https://www.tme.eu/Document/3c3ea3718f2 ... RACD04.PDF

https://www.tme.eu/Document/f3b7efb2121 ... RACV04.PDF