Are these Samsung strips worth getting?

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Big Swifty
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Greetings,

tl;dr - are these strips legit, or shit?

Second post. My first is in the 'introduce yourself thread,' which explains my lack of options and kind of being stuck with the options I do have.

Looking to light a 4x4 grow in a 5x5 tent. Not my first grow, but first in a tent from germination > flower. I'm a virgin with LEDs. I'm thinking of a SCROG or mainlining for 4 plants (2 difft. strains) with a focus on even distribution as opposed to canopy penetration. I'd like to keep veg time as short as possible, but the legal limit is 9 in flower and I'm new in this country so don't want to push limits right now. Was thinking QBs, but then after reading/watching various light reviews I'm now thinking that strips and bars would likely be better.

Limited options, but I came across these strips:

https://www.agroled.com.ar/productos/ba ... =381946125

https://www.samsung.com/led/lighting/le ... /h-influx/#

https://cdn.samsung.com/led/file/resour ... _v0917.pdf - (the strips are on page 59)

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They're available individually, or as part of a kit mixed with 4, 3000k strips and 4, 4000k. Advertised as lm301h, but I think the business just threw that on there to maximize internet searches and/or get those who don't bother researching before they buy. I'm seeing a product from 2017 marketed by Samsung as "Industrial" as opposed to horticultural. Only 32 diodes per strip.

https://www.agroled.com.ar/productos/ki ... =395112787

My thoughts go in two directions:

First - some company scored a cheap source for a 5 year old strip made by a well known international brand (most things here have a national brand equivalent), decided to add lm301h to the product description and is trying to sell lights Samsung markets (or marketed, since they're from '17) as "Industrial" as opposed to Horticulture to growers inclined to believe what they're told without doing any further research, and are hoping to profit by selling LEDs that aren't really cut out for the job, but that they got a good deal on.

Or - they actually know what they're doing and sourced good leds from Samsung that although not marketed for Horticulture (perhaps because the lm301h better occupies that space) can certainly provide the light necessary in the required wavelengths for cultivation - even if they're not the best current choice from Samsung.

The company (Agroled) sells natinoally made blurple lights that look like they were inspired by what you see on Amazon, generic blurple COBs, and these strips both individually and as part of kits. Right now they cost around $21 (US) per strip or a little over $200 for a kit containing 8 strips, wiring, and a Phillips Xitanium driver (no heatsinks). 8 of the below bar/heatsinks would add $50 to the cost.

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Having read the "DIY LED Strip Build Designs for Samsung H-Series, F-Series, Q-Series, and Bridgelux EB Gen.2" article, I'm using the suggested 4x4 build guidelines for the H-strips (perhaps with different diodes than what was in the article) and only have one row of diodes. In my case only 32 per stip. So a minimum of 24 of these strips (maybe 28) to get nice even distribution. Even if they can be used I'm not sure if it's worth it considering I'd also have to either DIY (no scrapyards I've come across) or get the ready made bar/heatsinks, framing, and put the whole thing together; a big hulking contraption if all connected.

If the strips are worth buying I'm considering modifying an idea I had to build a light using quantum boards that are claimed to be made with lm301h - the ones you find on Aliexpress. I was originally thinking of taking 6 of these boards and DIY an HLG Scorpion like configuration with a sheet of aluminum. If the strips are decent and not a waste of money I thought maybe use only 4 of the quantum boards in a homemade HLG 600 configuration and then the kit of 8 strips could be set up in a square configuration to give more light to the perimeter of the 4x4 area while letting the boards primarily light the inner area. I'd prefer all white qbs, but would have to settle for the ones with the Epistar reds. I guess the tradeoff would be not having to augment elsewhere with reds. The strips are white only.

I'm also interested in any potential China sources for quality LED strips (boards, etc) that has a decent reputation. I'd love to find some that are similar to what are being used in the ViparSpectra KS series where the diodes are a bit more heavily weighted to the ends of the strip to better light the perimeter and corners. Might be worth trying to deal with or work around Customs, or seeing if a retailer here would be interested in sourcing them.

If you've made it this far, thanks for reading. Hope I wasn't too wordy, but I find on forums more people complaining about lack of details than too many. Thanks for any thoughts/opinions/suggestions.

So, gIven my circumstances, would you buy these strips or take a hard pass?
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Those strips are Samsung "H inFlux" strips. They have been being made by samsung for years now. Thy are not old...they are continually produced to this day. The Hinflux are the only ones with conformal coating and 301's so will be the most resilient/robust strips on the market.
They use 301B diodes. 301b and 301h are the same...not similar but the exact same in every way. White LEDs are nothing specific to horticulture.

QBs are way easier for someone to build with. Specially if you aren't an LED guy. They also can be sourced with a single or double heatsink to make your own size to fit better than a stock HLG build.

Strips are great, but if you don't know what you're doing, or have good sources in your country/area, it can be difficult to get what you really want out of a build. If you want strips I would look into the influx 09's. Or drive the Blux gen3 strips super low.
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Thanks for the response and wise suggestions.

I think I have this ingrained concern about potentially inferior products because in developing countries so much of what's available for just about everything is either blatantly pirated, a knock-off, or just some lower quality product marketed as being the real deal. If you see Merrell hiking shoes with a 'Gore-Tex' label you wonder if they're actually Merrell or knockoffs, and are they or aren't they actually manufactured with Gore-Tex. Somebody's had to figure out that if they can sell a knock-off for X, they can add a Gore-Tex label for next to nothing and charge a bunch more.

I've been reconsidering a strip build and your post kind of confirmed that it's probably a good idea to do so. Those strips are the only ones I've seen. From what I've read I think I want to go with more lights running softer, which in the case of those single-row 32 diode strips means having to use more than if they were 3 or 4 rows of diodes.

I don't mind DIY. I've DIY'd a couple of led light panels for product photography, so I know a bit, but not as much as I'd like as they relate to growing, drivers, etc. That said, I'm not looking to make a DIY project to be super large or complicated. Labor is cheap and I have someone who can handle anything I can't or don't want to, but I'd still rather aim for simplicity and known quality over maximum efficiency and needless complexity. Electricity is cheap here, but I'd still like to minimize my use as it goes with my greener nature.

My current observation is that those are the only strips available and supplies for DIY lean toward using COBs. There's a Mouser here and availability of Cree CXB3590, Luminus CXM-32, and Osram. I feel a bit more confident buying from them than from someone who probably just sourced the cheapest quantum boards they could find on Alibaba to resell online. Lot more heatsink options as well considering there are zero when it comes to anything like a pre-drilled or perfectly sized Slate type heatsink for quantum boards. So maybe it's one of those cases of when in Rome, DIY like how it looks everyone else is doing it and go COB. Time for more research.
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blatant plug, check out our wide grow strip range, we manufacture all onsite
https://www.cutter.com.au/product-categ ... ip-boards/
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Salmonetin wrote:
Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:57 pm
Welight wrote:
Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:25 pm
blatant plug, check out our wide grow strip range, we manufacture all onsite
https://www.cutter.com.au/product-categ ... ip-boards/
Cheers
blatant plug?... perdon el google tranlator me lo traduce como ...enchufe flagrante?.... no entiendo la traduccion...o lo que usted queria decir...me da que al argentino le pasa igual...o puede que no...y solo sea yo...

que software usa usted para crear esos mcpcb para leds...lo pregunto por si se puede usar ese software para crear y enviarle otros posibles mcpcb para leds de cultivo...

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blatant plug?... sorry, the google translator translates it to me as...enchufe flagrante....I don't understand the translation...or what you wanted to say...it seems to me that the same thing happens to the Argentinian OP... .or maybe not...and it's just me...

What software do you use to create those mcpcb for leds?... I ask if that software can be used to create and send you other possible mcpcb for grow leds... or maybe its not posiible send you others custom mcpcbs using the leds you use in your site...

Altium?...Kicad?...Eagle?...any other?...

Saludos desde Tenerife - Islas Canarias
No problem, we are Autodesk fanboys so we use EAGLE. We are happy to design MCPCB or use your designs if you like, if you have a design send us a Gerber and we can look at it for you
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