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Dosing Pumps Losing Prime

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:37 am
by jaysal
Looking for some advise on an issue I have been trying solve.

My dosing pumps lose prime over time (about a 1 day or so) I have installed check valves on the input tube and the output tube with no luck. I have also switch the position of the dosing pumps from above the dosing containers to below the dosing containers. The last few things that I think could be the problem is the pump heads are not fully squeezing the tube or maybe there is an air leak on the tube connections but they feel pretty secure.

Link to the pumps
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Re: Dosing Pumps Losing Prime

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:12 pm
by stud
Nice setup Jaysal .
Have you tried with the pumps above the nutes ? That might help . Good luck

Re: Dosing Pumps Losing Prime

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:13 pm
by sshscp
Do you have the ability to control the pumps in both directions? If so, an option might be to stop trying to keep prime (liquid in the line) and instead after each use of the pump you could reverse the flow so you are always starting from a known state (no liquid in the line). This way you can program your pumps to 1st go through enough revolutions to get your fertilizer to the end of your line and then 2nd you dispense a specific amount and 3rd you run the pump in reverse to put the fertilizer back into the their storage tank. I do this because I don't want the chance of any extra fertilizer getting into my reservoir.

Nice looking setup you got there!

Re: Dosing Pumps Losing Prime

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:10 pm
by avanni
i have the same problem , mine never stop losing liquid , and i need to remove the bottles to not overfet my plants
I will try to run in reverse and remove all the liquid from the line

if some one interested in see the rror i have made a video


https://we.tl/t-VWNWtuhtQy

Re: Dosing Pumps Losing Prime

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:28 am
by jaysal
stud wrote:
Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:12 pm
Nice setup Jaysal .
Have you tried with the pumps above the nutes ? That might help . Good luck
Thanks @stud yes I tried them above the nutes and noticed they lost prime so I moved them under and not much difference.

Re: Dosing Pumps Losing Prime

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:36 am
by jaysal
sshscp wrote:
Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:13 pm
Do you have the ability to control the pumps in both directions? If so, an option might be to stop trying to keep prime (liquid in the line) and instead after each use of the pump you could reverse the flow so you are always starting from a known state (no liquid in the line). This way you can program your pumps to 1st go through enough revolutions to get your fertilizer to the end of your line and then 2nd you dispense a specific amount and 3rd you run the pump in reverse to put the fertilizer back into the their storage tank. I do this because I don't want the chance of any extra fertilizer getting into my reservoir.

Nice looking setup you got there!
thanks @sshscp , I would have to add more pump controllers to control the direction, I am using one L298 driver for 4 pumps so I only have done direction. I do like your idea though, I am not too worried about extra nutes in the res but more worried about dosing a/b at the same amounts. I can live with it being a few mls off now that I have an EC meter I dose until I get to the desired EC and not just go by the recommend feed schedule ml's.

@avanni my pumps lose prime over the course of a day or so and once the lines are empty nothing more drips into the res. Your setup seems like its siphoning which I see how that can be a big issue.

I was surprised that the check valves did not fix the issue, I think the only other way is to have the pumps and nutes both below the res water line but that may be a little tricky

Re: Dosing Pumps Losing Prime

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:11 am
by mikeyB
with pumps above liquid also use a one way liquid check valve to maintain the intake flow you require and it doesnt take much effort for the pump to create draw every time its activated